Comments for Two Hour Blogger http://twohourblogger.com Just another WordPress site Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:17:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Diego http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3383 Diego Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:17:15 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3383 Web Designers can actually make more than Developers, if they are skilled. The key here is being skilled and really creative, which means forgetting about "taking inspiration" from the hundreds ready-made templates on the market and changing a few colours. Also, everybody is able to put together a PSD image and walk away. That's the easy part. A good Designer should be able to implement his design as a theme for the target platform. This, in turn, means learning some coding and understanding what can be and cannot be done in various circumstances. Add cross-browser testing to the above, and you'll see that Designers can earn good money. I could go on further, but the topic is too complex for a comment. I may write something about in on my blog, perhaps you'll find it interesting. Web Designers can actually make more than Developers, if they are skilled. The key here is being skilled and really creative, which means forgetting about “taking inspiration” from the hundreds ready-made templates on the market and changing a few colours.
Also, everybody is able to put together a PSD image and walk away. That’s the easy part. A good Designer should be able to implement his design as a theme for the target platform. This, in turn, means learning some coding and understanding what can be and cannot be done in various circumstances.
Add cross-browser testing to the above, and you’ll see that Designers can earn good money.

I could go on further, but the topic is too complex for a comment. I may write something about in on my blog, perhaps you’ll find it interesting.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Martyn Chamberlin http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3341 Martyn Chamberlin Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:39:41 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3341 Sounds like a plan. ;) Sounds like a plan. ;)

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Martyn Chamberlin http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3335 Martyn Chamberlin Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:35:08 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3335 Interesting. I don't think I've had this explained as clearly before. This explains why some sites are so downright ugly but they're technically awesome. It also explains a few of my friends ... Web designers don't make as much as web developers, do they? Do you think this is fair? Curious what your thoughts are on this. Interesting. I don’t think I’ve had this explained as clearly before. This explains why some sites are so downright ugly but they’re technically awesome. It also explains a few of my friends …

Web designers don’t make as much as web developers, do they? Do you think this is fair? Curious what your thoughts are on this.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Diego http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3334 Diego Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:20:36 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3334 I might disagree with the way he said it, but I don't think it's a spam comment. In some ways, stu is right: it takes years of experience to really learn Web Development principles and be able to apply them correctly. You can memorize whole books and attend countless courses, but experience can't be learned, bought or achieved in any other way than practice. You must expose yourself to challenges, learn how to deal with them and, ultimately, make mistakes. Obviously, if you have a natural predisposition, everything will be easier, but there's no "quick & easy" way to learn. I might disagree with the way he said it, but I don’t think it’s a spam comment. In some ways, stu is right: it takes years of experience to really learn Web Development principles and be able to apply them correctly.

You can memorize whole books and attend countless courses, but experience can’t be learned, bought or achieved in any other way than practice. You must expose yourself to challenges, learn how to deal with them and, ultimately, make mistakes. Obviously, if you have a natural predisposition, everything will be easier, but there’s no “quick & easy” way to learn.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Diego http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3332 Diego Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:22:48 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3332 Hi Martyn, It's nice to see that you're making progress. However, I have two comments to make on what you wrote. As I mentioned in the past, a Web Designer and a Web Developer are two *different* people. To be an excellent Web Designer you require artistic creativity, knowledge of graphic design (and related tools) and, as you mentioned, the ability of transforming a nice design into proper HTML and CSS. Knowing a bit JavaScript would help too, to put together those fancy interfaces. A Web Developer, on the other hand, requires a different type of creativity, as his job is mainly "problem solving". Databases, programming languages and software architecture are key aspects of a Web Developer. It doesn't matter if he has no clue of how to create a glossy button, or if he believes that maroon, purple and lime green are a great colour combination, he must be able to design, implement and follow software logic. The reason why people tend to mix the roles is that they have some things in common: they both "produce" web pages. It's not infrequent that a Web Developer has to take a PSD file and "slice it" to make it into a template, or that a Web Designer has to figure out why a page throws an error. However, they are distinct roles, which require different mindsets. In my 15+ years' experience, I've met individuals who were from mediocre to average at both, but never excellent. Personally, I'm a Web Developer, and you can clearly see it if you look at my "designs", and I'm happy to encourage you through this path. Challenging, but rewarding (if you like it, that is). :) Hi Martyn,
It’s nice to see that you’re making progress. However, I have two comments to make on what you wrote.

As I mentioned in the past, a Web Designer and a Web Developer are two *different* people. To be an excellent Web Designer you require artistic creativity, knowledge of graphic design (and related tools) and, as you mentioned, the ability of transforming a nice design into proper HTML and CSS. Knowing a bit JavaScript would help too, to put together those fancy interfaces.

A Web Developer, on the other hand, requires a different type of creativity, as his job is mainly “problem solving”. Databases, programming languages and software architecture are key aspects of a Web Developer. It doesn’t matter if he has no clue of how to create a glossy button, or if he believes that maroon, purple and lime green are a great colour combination, he must be able to design, implement and follow software logic.

The reason why people tend to mix the roles is that they have some things in common: they both “produce” web pages. It’s not infrequent that a Web Developer has to take a PSD file and “slice it” to make it into a template, or that a Web Designer has to figure out why a page throws an error. However, they are distinct roles, which require different mindsets. In my 15+ years’ experience, I’ve met individuals who were from mediocre to average at both, but never excellent.

Personally, I’m a Web Developer, and you can clearly see it if you look at my “designs”, and I’m happy to encourage you through this path. Challenging, but rewarding (if you like it, that is). :)

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Ngina Otiende http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3329 Ngina Otiende Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:01:43 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3329 Great thoughts! Am sending this post as a link to my hubby - he's interested in learning how to program without having to go back to school or something. This sounds good. Thank you for sharing this. Great thoughts!

Am sending this post as a link to my hubby – he’s interested in learning how to program without having to go back to school or something. This sounds good.

Thank you for sharing this.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Martyn Chamberlin http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3326 Martyn Chamberlin Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:50:03 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3326 Dude. You seriously ought to get the PHP bundle and learn with me. Dude. You seriously ought to get the PHP bundle and learn with me.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Martyn Chamberlin http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3325 Martyn Chamberlin Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:49:44 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3325 I dearly hope this is a spam comment. I dearly hope this is a spam comment.

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by Daniel Shamburger http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3324 Daniel Shamburger Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:25:17 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3324 Great article, Martyn. I also highly recommend SitePoint's books on web design! Great article, Martyn.

I also highly recommend SitePoint’s books on web design!

]]> Comment on Do You Want to Learn How to Program? by stu http://twohourblogger.com/learn-how-to-program/#comment-3323 stu Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:20:36 +0000 http://twohourblogger.com/?p=2461#comment-3323 don't fool the fools. it takes years to learn AND do it correctly. but they are fools, and will not listen to advice. don’t fool the fools. it takes years to learn AND do it correctly. but they are fools, and will not listen to advice.

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